Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

03/28/2022 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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           SB 214-LIABILITY: SOCIAL MEDIA CENSORSHIP                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   HOLLAND  reconvened   the  meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration of  SENATE BILL NO.  214 "An Act relating  to civil                                                               
liability for censorship of speech by a social media platform."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
[CSSB 214(STA) was before the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR LORA REINBOLD, Alaska  State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
sponsor of SB 214, paraphrased the sponsor statement.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SB  214 may  also be  known  as the  Stop Social  Media                                                                    
     Censorship Act. This bill  ensures that the legislature                                                                    
     is  opposed  to censorship  of  online  content, has  a                                                                    
     compelling  interest in  holding  certain social  media                                                                    
     platforms to higher standards  for having established a                                                                    
     digital public  square, and has an  interest in helping                                                                    
     its  residents  regardless  of religious  or  political                                                                    
     affiliations  enjoy their  free exercise  of rights  in                                                                    
     certain  semipublic forum  commonly used  for religious                                                                    
     or political  speech, and has  an interest, and  has an                                                                    
     interest  in  preventing  social media  platforms  that                                                                    
     have  substantially  created  a digital  public  square                                                                    
     from malicious interference in state elections.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Social  media  platforms  may  not  intentionally  fact                                                                    
     check, delete, or use an  algorithm to disfavor, shadow                                                                    
     ban  or otherwise  censor  the  religious or  political                                                                    
     speech  of  a  platform  user. SB  214  includes  civil                                                                    
     liability for  censorship of speech  by a  social media                                                                    
     platform.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:44:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD  stated that  many people  on social  media have                                                               
been restricted  or had misinformation  stickers placed  on their                                                               
social media pages.  She related that an  invited testifier would                                                               
speak to  a court case related  to this issue. She  indicated she                                                               
wanted to discourage large social  media platforms from adversely                                                               
impacting social media platform users by censoring them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  highlighted that  this is  an emerging  area of                                                               
law that could impact political and religious speech.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:46:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD provided a sectional analysis for SB 214. She                                                                  
stated that Section 1 would refer to the Act as the Stop Social                                                                 
Media Censorship Act.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:46:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD paraphrased Section 2 of SB 214, which read:                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (1) is opposed to  censorship of online content, unless                                                                    
     the  content is  harmful  to minors  or promotes  human                                                                    
     trafficking;                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (2)  has  a  compelling  interest  in  holding  certain                                                                    
     social media  platforms to higher standards  for having                                                                    
     substantially created a digital public square;                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (3)  has   an  interest   in  helping   its  residents,                                                                    
     regardless  of  religious  or political    affiliation,                                                                    
     enjoy  their   free  exercise  of  rights   in  certain                                                                    
     semipublic  forums commonly  used  for   religious  and                                                                    
     political speech; and                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     4)  has   an  interest   in  preventing   social  media                                                                    
     platforms  that have  substantially  created a  digital                                                                    
     public  square  from  malicious interference  in  state                                                                    
     elections.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD stated that Section 3 relates to civil                                                                         
liability for censorship of speech by a social media platform.                                                                  
She paraphrased subsection (a).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Except as  provided in (g)  of this section,  the owner                                                                    
     or  operator  of  a  social   media  platform  may  not                                                                    
     intentionally fact  check, delete, or use  an algorithm                                                                    
     to  disfavor,  shadow  ban,  or  otherwise  censor  the                                                                    
     religious or political speech of a platform user.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD noted that subsection (b), (c), and (d)                                                                        
establishes liability for a social media platform that violates                                                                 
subsection (a).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:48:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD paraphrased subsection (f), which lists                                                                        
exceptions to civil liability for censorship of speech by a                                                                     
social media platform.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     f)  This   section  does  not  apply   to  deletion  or                                                                    
     censorship  of a  platform user's  speech  on a  social                                                                    
     media platform when that speech                                                                                            
     (1) calls for immediate acts of violence;                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     (2) calls for a user to engage in self harm;                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (3) is pornographic;                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     (4) is the result of operational error;                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (5) is the result of a court order;                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     (6)  comes  from  an  inauthentic  source  or  involves                                                                    
     impersonation;                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (7) entices criminal conduct;                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     (8) is harmful to minors; or                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     (9) involves bullying of minors                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:48:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD paraphrased subsection (g).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (g)  Notwithstanding   (a)  -  (f)  of   this  section,                                                                    
     bullying  and  harassing  behavior  are  prohibited  on                                                                    
     social media  platforms. A social media  platform shall                                                                    
     take steps  to prevent bullying and  harassing behavior                                                                    
     and shall  provide a platform  user who hosts a  page a                                                                    
     mechanism to establish and enforce  rules of decorum to                                                                    
     prevent   bullying  and   harassing  behavior   on  the                                                                    
     platform user's page.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:49:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD stated that subsection (h) provides definitions                                                                
for algorithm, hate speech, platform user, and social media                                                                     
platform.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD noted that the State Affairs Committee amended                                                                 
the bill to redefine "religious."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:49:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS referred  to fact checking in Section  3. He stated                                                               
that the Alaska Constitution protects  the freedom to publish. He                                                               
expressed concern  that prohibiting a social  media platform from                                                               
fact checking would appear to  prevent the owners from publishing                                                               
on  their own  website. He  asked  whether that  would raise  any                                                               
constitutional issues.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  responded that  she interpreted the  court case                                                               
to  determine  that the  "fact  checking"  was actually  "opinion                                                               
checking,"  which  would  essentially be  expressing  an  opinion                                                               
about an opinion that was posted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS responded that the  issue wasn't whether the action                                                               
taken was based on a fact check  or an opinion, but if the social                                                               
media platform  owner was allowed  to publish on their  own site.                                                               
This bill would prohibit them from doing so.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  REINBOLD asked  whether  he was  referring  to a  social                                                               
media platform,  such as Facebook,  or the user  being prohibited                                                               
from publishing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MYERS  responded that  he  was  addressing social  media                                                               
platforms, including  Facebook. For example,  if he were  to post                                                               
something  on Facebook  and Facebook  decided to  fact check  his                                                               
posting, the  bill would not  allow Facebook to  publish comments                                                               
that the platform user's posting was inaccurate or proven wrong.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD disagreed.  She  offered her  view that  social                                                               
media  platform owners  could post  on their  site, but  the bill                                                               
would not allow them to post their opinion on a platform user.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:52:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND understood  the sponsor to say that  a social media                                                               
platform,  such as  Facebook, could  not "opinion  check" on  the                                                               
platform   user  postings   but   could   provide  "fact   check"                                                               
information on their web page.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:53:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES TAYLOR, President,  Heartland Institute, Chicago, Illinois,                                                               
related  that   the  institute  is  a   nonprofit  public  policy                                                               
organization  focusing primarily  on policy  issues before  state                                                               
legislatures. He stated  that they have been  following this bill                                                               
because many  people feel constrained  in sharing  information on                                                               
social  media  with their  friends,  family,  and colleagues.  He                                                               
offered his belief that three  corporations control 97 percent of                                                               
social media  traffic in this  country. Although he did  not have                                                               
any  issue with  them competing  for market  share, he  expressed                                                               
concern that they use their  power to stifle people's free speech                                                               
rights.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR characterized Facebook as  a great platform, so people                                                               
use it.  However, more than  20 million Americans have  had their                                                               
social media posts about COVID-19 blocked, banned, and censored.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR said  Heartland Institute  addresses numerous  public                                                               
policy  issues, including  global  warming,  school, choice,  and                                                               
health  care. He  receives feedback  from people  who attend  his                                                               
lectures,  who say  that when  they  post their  views on  social                                                               
media,  the platform  owners block  them. They  demand action  be                                                               
taken.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TAYLOR noted  that legislatures  throughout the  country had                                                               
recognized  the  importance  of  this  topic.  He  recalled  that                                                               
approximately 37 state legislators  had introduced legislation on                                                               
this topic, and several bills have passed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR  said the founding  fathers recognized  the importance                                                               
of  protecting  free  speech.  The  Declaration  of  Independence                                                               
states, "We  hold these  truths to be  self-evident, that  we are                                                               
endowed  by our  Creator with  certain unalienable  rights, among                                                               
them  are life,  liberty and  the pursuit  of happiness.  That to                                                               
secure these  rights, governments  are instituted among  men." He                                                               
said the First Amendment affirms this.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR related  that  sometimes  government threatens  these                                                               
rights, but  some government is necessary  to protect unalienable                                                               
rights, including free  speech. He offered his  belief that three                                                               
corporations  controlling social  media  speech  are using  their                                                               
power to  stifle unalienable free  speech rights. He  pointed out                                                               
that social  media platforms  or "big tech"  have gone  on record                                                               
asking  the state  and  federal government  to  take action.  For                                                               
example, during the  Superbowl, Facebook called for  new laws and                                                               
regulations to  tell them what  lines to draw. He  commented that                                                               
he had quotes that he could share.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR stated that social  media platforms had also published                                                               
papers  that  find government  has  not  taken enough  action  to                                                               
address antiquated  laws. Further, the platform  owners explained                                                               
that because government does not  take action, they are forced to                                                               
restrict some  platform user posts. Social  media platform owners                                                               
indicated that  if people  want things changed,  they must  go to                                                               
their legislators or government.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR  offered his view  that SB 214  was one of  the better                                                               
bills  before  legislatures,  so   the  institute  contacted  the                                                               
sponsor to testify in support of the bill.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HOLLAND asked what he specifically liked about the bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:59:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR responded  that three things stood out  to him. First,                                                               
the bill establishes statutory damages  if social media platforms                                                               
stifle  free speech.  He noted  that some  legislatures took  the                                                               
approach that people can file  a lawsuit. However, attorney costs                                                               
can  be expensive  for individuals,  but corporations  can absorb                                                               
those costs.  Instead, this bill would  provide real consequences                                                               
for violations.  Second, SB 214  would allow for a  private cause                                                               
of  action. He  said only  the  attorney general  can initiate  a                                                               
lawsuit on a constituent's behalf  in some states. He pointed out                                                               
that an  attorney general  might decide not  to enforce  this law                                                               
due to  limited resources. Thus, allowing  individual citizens to                                                               
present  their own  cases is  powerful. Finally,  he offered  his                                                               
view that  the bill was  concise and precise so  that individuals                                                               
could understand it.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:00:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  pointed out that the  Alaska Constitution provides                                                               
the freedom to publish, unlike  the First Amendment. For example,                                                               
suppose Mark Zuckerberg published a  fact check under a post, and                                                               
the  bill prohibits  it.  He  offered his  view  that appears  to                                                               
interfere with his constitutional right to publish.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  acknowledged that  he  had  not studied  the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution, but  he surmised that  the right to publish  is not                                                               
absolute.  A  person   would  not  have  the   right  to  publish                                                               
defamatory materials or something saying  the theater is on fire,                                                               
so context  is important.  He said  people communicate  on social                                                               
media  platforms  similar  to when  people  communicated  at  the                                                               
public  town square,  so Facebook  as a  platform should  respect                                                               
that.  He  noted  that  there  were many  places  and  ways  that                                                               
Facebook  could publish.  Further,  when  Facebook provides  fact                                                               
checks, it  argues that  it is  a platform,  not a  publisher and                                                               
that the  media corporation is  held to a different  standard. He                                                               
stated that if  Facebook were a publisher, it could  be held more                                                               
liable  for defamation  or  slander. He  referred  to a  lawsuit,                                                               
Stossel  v.  Facebook, which  alleges  that  when Facebook  "fact                                                               
checks," it is issuing an opinion.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:04:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD  referred to  art.  I,  sec.  5 of  the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution,  relating to  freedom of  speech. She  read, "Every                                                               
person  may freely  speak, write,  and publish  on all  subjects,                                                               
being responsible for  the abuse of that right."  The stated goal                                                               
of SB 214  is to protect the users who  are publishing by posting                                                               
on Facebook or  some other online social  networking service. She                                                               
reminded  members that  legislators  swear to  uphold and  defend                                                               
individual  liberties, not  corporate  rights. Corporations  have                                                               
created social  networking platforms  to allow users  to publish.                                                               
She  expressed  concern  that  some posts  on  social  media  are                                                               
flagged  because  the  opinion   posted  differs  from  the  fact                                                               
checker's view.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:06:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  understood  him  to say  that  the  social  media                                                               
platform owners  can publish  in many  places and  ways. However,                                                               
the bill  would prohibit  social media  platform owners,  such as                                                               
Facebook,  from  publishing  on their  platforms.  He  asked  why                                                               
Facebook's  ability  to  publish  their  opinions  outside  their                                                               
platform is  a sufficient remedy to  the government's restriction                                                               
of their ability to post their opinions on the platform itself.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  stated  a  significant  distinction  exists  between                                                               
posting  on a  user-oriented  social media  platform and  someone                                                               
publishing  information   in  a  newspaper,  blog,   or  website.                                                               
Internet technology  has changed how people  interact. It's moved                                                               
from meeting in town squares,  pubs, bars, and saloons to sharing                                                               
ideas  online via  social  media. He  reiterated  that there  are                                                               
small of  media corporations. He alleged  that these corporations                                                               
not  only fact  check but  censor,  block, and  ban posts,  which                                                               
stifles users from sharing their ideas on social media.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL pointed out that  the for-profit corporations' goal                                                               
is  to make  money. He  highlighted that  people still  gather in                                                               
bars  and  restaurants  to  share   their  opinions.  Some  small                                                               
communities only  have one bar  and restaurant. He  asked whether                                                               
the owner  should no  longer have  the right  to tell  patrons to                                                               
take their offensive ideas outside.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  responded that  this  bill  addresses online  social                                                               
media platforms. The  purpose of online social media  is to share                                                               
ideas.  He  agreed  people  still  fight  over  the  Thanksgiving                                                               
dinner, meet in bars and  have discussions. However, social media                                                               
has become  the primary way  people share ideas  and information.                                                               
He agreed that the bartender or  owner could tell patrons to stop                                                               
arguing about political discussions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:11:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TAYLOR  turned to  the  comments  regarding a  social  media                                                               
corporation's  goal   to  earn  profits.  He   acknowledged  that                                                               
legislatures should  consider whether the government  was placing                                                               
too many checks on individuals  and businesses. In this case, the                                                               
US  Constitution provides  people  with  unalienable free  speech                                                               
rights.  Currently, people  share those  ideas via  online social                                                               
media. Suppose  corporations capture the market  share and decide                                                               
they have  the power  to advance  their political  philosophy and                                                               
become de  facto governments by  limiting speech. He  argued they                                                               
could  not do  so. For  example,  an online  media platform  like                                                               
Facebook  could  potentially  buy  up  companies  that  start  to                                                               
threaten  them  and  their  market share,  or  they  may  counter                                                               
complaints by  telling people to  create their own  online social                                                               
media company. Yet  very few people have the resources  to do so,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:13:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR  offered his belief  that corporations act  in concert                                                               
to   strike   down   competition,  which   happened   when   [the                                                               
conservative social  media website] Parler was  banned from using                                                               
Apple's App for  hate speech, and Amazon  and Google subsequently                                                               
banned it.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:14:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES indicated  that she, her husband,  and her friends                                                               
had been temporarily banned from  social media. She wondered what                                                               
remedy  would  hold  up  in  the courts.  She  pointed  out  that                                                               
newspapers publish people's opinions  and letters, but the editor                                                               
could write  an editorial  to state their  position on  an issue.                                                               
She wondered  if multinational technology companies  could have a                                                               
webpage to do something similar  instead of posting on the user's                                                               
page, stamping it,  or making the content  unavailable when there                                                               
is a  difference in opinion.  She related  scenarios illustrating                                                               
differences of  opinion regarding COVID-19 treatment.  Instead of                                                               
blocking  users' views,  she envisioned  that big  tech, such  as                                                               
Facebook,  could  post on  their  own  web  pages and  use  their                                                               
algorithm.  In doing  so, platform  users  could read  Facebook's                                                               
comments,  and  readers  could  make  up  their  own  minds.  She                                                               
mentioned several  social media platforms  that were not  part of                                                               
the  top  three  tech  companies. She  wondered  if  someone  was                                                               
pushing  Chinese propaganda  or  denial of  the Holocaust,  those                                                               
editors could  warn users  by posting on  their own  webpage. She                                                               
asked  if doing  so would  help  mitigate it  so courts  wouldn't                                                               
strike down the suspensions, blocks,  or censures. She envisioned                                                               
that this  was something  social media companies  could do  so it                                                               
would not require a bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:17:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR responded  that the short answer  is yes. Corporations                                                               
such  as Facebook  and  Twitter could  use  algorithms and  their                                                               
platform  to  state  their  opinion.   However,  he  related  his                                                               
understanding   that  this   bill   aims  to   prevent  a   large                                                               
monopolistic entity  from stifling users by  banning or blocking,                                                               
or fact  checking, which is why  it sets a minimum  threshold for                                                               
the  number  of  subscribers.  The   bill  aims  to  prevent  the                                                               
suppression  of speech.  He noted  that a  social media  platform                                                               
owner's  fact check  or  opinion  could be  wrong.  He said  some                                                               
allies who operate news outlets  and internet media reported that                                                               
when they  post anything  on Facebook  about global  warming that                                                               
does not  comport with  a certain viewpoint,  it will  be labeled                                                               
misinformation or  partially false.  Further, big  tech companies                                                               
will punish  them by downgrading everything  these allies publish                                                               
because their material is considered misleading.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  thanked  him  for  information  about  big  tech                                                               
companies changing algorithms. She  reiterated that nothing would                                                               
stop  technology corporations  like Facebook  from having  a post                                                               
showing  the  other  side  of   the  issue.  She  suggested  that                                                               
conservative sites,  like Rumble  or Truth Social,  could counter                                                               
Chinese  propaganda by  cautioning readers  to beware.  She asked                                                               
whether  her  solution  would  be permissible  and  if  it  would                                                               
address  Senator   Myers'  concern  about   state  constitutional                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:21:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR agreed that members  should be cognizant, mindful, and                                                               
attentive   to  constitutional   protections  and   guidance.  He                                                               
deferred to Senator  Reinbold. He offered his view  that the bill                                                               
would not prohibit Facebook from presenting its point of view.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:22:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD stated  that she  drafted the  bill in  2019 to                                                               
prevent  the courts  from setting  policy  since the  legislative                                                               
branch  sets policy.  She  referred to  a  memo from  Legislative                                                               
Legal Services  [from Noah  Klein dated  February 17,  2022]. She                                                               
read,  "...it  is not  clear  that  an  Alaska Court  would  have                                                               
personal jurisdiction  over the  social media website."  She said                                                               
the memo  says an Alaska court  may dismiss a case.  She referred                                                               
to another  section of the  memo to  a sentence related  to First                                                               
Amendment  issues and  read, "Because  social media  websites are                                                               
private entities and not government  actors, they are entitled to                                                               
freedom of speech protections."                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:24:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD  stated  that  a  webpage  on  a  social  media                                                               
platform is the publisher and  is responsible for publishing. She                                                               
explained  that  social  media   platforms  could  advertise  and                                                               
publish  their opinions  and  potentially  make billions  selling                                                               
data, have  free speech  protections, but  turn around  and crush                                                               
individual users from having free speech.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  stated that this  bill says "big  tech" platforms                                                               
cannot censor users, not that  the legislature will indicate what                                                               
social media platform  owners can say, except on  user posts. She                                                               
offered her view that the bill would work.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:25:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  directed attention to  language in the  bill [page                                                               
2, lines 5-7] that specifies  that using an algorithm to disfavor                                                               
a user is  prohibited. He said this appears to  view social media                                                               
as free  speech, based  on a  percentage of use  as to  whether a                                                               
person can compel  a publisher to speak or  refrain from speaking                                                               
in their own business.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated that in  the 50s and 60s,  American members                                                               
of the Communist Party were  distraught because they couldn't get                                                               
their viewpoints  published in mainstream newspapers  because the                                                               
owners of mainstream newspapers had no interest.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL   wondered  if  the   Juneau  Empire,   the  local                                                               
newspaper, should  be compelled to  print a letter to  the editor                                                               
from one of  his constituents if it said  scurrilous things about                                                               
his opinions and parentage.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  answered that  this  bill  applies to  user-oriented                                                               
postings on media platforms, not  newspapers. He offered his view                                                               
that federal law provides protections  for social media platforms                                                               
to  censure,   block,  and  ban  sexually   obscene,  excessively                                                               
violent, or personally harassing  material. Thus, if someone were                                                               
to harass him on social media,  a platform would have the ability                                                               
to stop them.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:28:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked  for  definitions  of  harmful  content  to                                                               
minors, bullying, and harassing behavior.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  responded that  bullying and  harassing already                                                               
are  in statute.  She offered  her  belief that  some terms  were                                                               
defined in the federal Communications  Decency Act (CDA) of 1996.                                                               
She deferred to Legislative Legal Services to respond.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND  confirmed that Legislative Legal  Services was not                                                               
online.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:29:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked  why there are no protections  for speech for                                                               
those under the age of 18 if  the intent is to treat private for-                                                               
profit  social media  as public  squares and  allow them  to take                                                               
over social media.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD asked him to restate the question.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated that the  bill places more  restrictions on                                                               
speech  for a  17-year-old than  a 19-year-old.  He wondered  why                                                               
minors under 18 years of age are not protected in the bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HOLLAND asked him to identify the bill section.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:30:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL directed attention to  the definition of a platform                                                               
user, page 3, line 14, to  paragraph (3) "platform user" means an                                                               
individual over  18 years  of age  who resides  in the  state and                                                               
contracts with a social media platform;"."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR  related  his understanding  that  minors  must  have                                                               
parental  consent to  have a  Facebook page.  He hoped  the issue                                                               
would be worked on in  the committee process. He recalled Senator                                                               
Kiehl referred to a public  takeover of social media. Instead, he                                                               
offered  his  view that  the  bill  says social  media  platforms                                                               
cannot  restrict  or  stifle  anyone's  free  unalienable  speech                                                               
rights.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:32:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD recalled  that she  agreed to  Facebook's broad                                                               
terms of use  when she set up her Facebook  page. She wondered if                                                               
the terms of  use were limited to adults so  that minors couldn't                                                               
agree to the terms. She offered  to research it and report to the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS  related his understanding that  the sponsor viewed                                                               
the social media  postings as the new  public square discussions.                                                               
He asked whether the sponsor  considered it wrong for somebody to                                                               
stifle speech in the new public square.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR agreed it was largely so.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD interjected that it would have parameters.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MYERS asked  whether a comment section  also qualifies as                                                               
the new public square.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR responded that social  media platforms, by definition,                                                               
have comment sections.  People can comment back and  forth on the                                                               
topic  when  someone posts  something  unless  the platform  user                                                               
blocks  that person  from  posting on  their  page. For  example,                                                               
sometimes, he posts about public  policy issues on platforms such                                                               
as Facebook.  Occasionally, a longtime friend  will disagree with                                                               
his political opinion, and that  friend can choose to block them;                                                               
any user can choose to block someone.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR noted  that Section 230 of  the Federal Communications                                                               
Decency Act  gave social  media platforms  the ability  to censor                                                               
postings  containing   sexually  obscene   material,  excessively                                                               
violent, or  other material. Congress  mentioned in  its findings                                                               
that the  purpose of  the law  is to  protect and  encourage user                                                               
decisions as to what information  would be shared and received so                                                               
that  the platform  user would  have  as much  control over  that                                                               
process as  possible. That's  why it's  important to  ensure that                                                               
social  media   platform  corporations  don't  use   their  power                                                               
nefariously to prevent people from sharing opinions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:36:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD   offered  her  view  that   whoever  publishes                                                               
comments must  be responsible for  disseminating them.  She noted                                                               
that Facebook  encourages political figures to  provide rules and                                                               
guidelines  that  users  must  abide by  to  prevent  users  from                                                               
harassing  or posting  hate messages.  She related  that Facebook                                                               
advised  her that  they would  shut down  her political  Facebook                                                               
page unless she followed their rules.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:38:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  offered his  view  that  the comments  just  made                                                               
helped eliminate  the problem. He related  his understanding that                                                               
Senator Reinbold didn't want to  be responsible for comments made                                                               
on her  Facebook page.  Facebook doesn't  want to  be accountable                                                               
for  platform user  postings. He  questioned why  the bill  would                                                               
allow  users  to  delete  comments,  including  inappropriate  or                                                               
offensive ones,  but not allow  the social media platforms  to do                                                               
so.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:39:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD clarified  that there  is a  difference between                                                               
the social  media platform  and the  platform user  or publisher.                                                               
She agreed that  rules must be in place to  avoid hate speech and                                                               
that  users  must  have  decorum. She  noted  that  the  Facebook                                                               
platform allows  people to  avoid hate  speech by  unfriending or                                                               
blocking someone's posting on their page.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:39:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER joined the meeting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:39:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD  said  social   media  issues  are  continually                                                               
emerging,  but this  bill specifically  relates to  the platform.                                                               
She characterized the  social media platform rules  as similar to                                                               
rules  in a  courtroom that  allow people  to exchange  ideas but                                                               
maintain decorum.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:40:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR  offered his  view that  social media  platform owners                                                               
have  been  inconsistent.  For  example,  sometimes  they  define                                                               
themselves  as  platforms,  and  at  other  times  they  describe                                                               
themselves as  publishers. He stated that  social media platforms                                                               
are user-oriented.  He maintained  that Facebook allows  users to                                                               
operate  platforms  to  share  information,  and  platform  users                                                               
control  their  own  space.  He   clarified  that  platform  user                                                               
postings  are not  Facebook's opinions  because the  social media                                                               
platform owner has its publisher  business model. He acknowledged                                                               
that intricacies exist with social media platforms.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  noted that  under SB 214,  the comment  section on                                                               
the New  York Times and  What's App  would fit the  definition of                                                               
"social  media platform"  because they  are internet  websites or                                                               
applications that enable users to  communicate with each other by                                                               
posting comments, and they have  more than 5,000,000 subscribers.                                                               
He  offered his  view that  today's discussion  has shifted  from                                                               
describing social  media platform  activities and  what's written                                                               
in the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  referred to page 2,  [lines 5-6] of the  bill that                                                               
states "the owner or operator of  a social media platform may not                                                               
intentionally fact check  ...." He said he was  unclear about the                                                               
definition  of an  unintentional  fact check.  It further  states                                                               
that this  section does  not apply when  something comes  from an                                                               
inauthentic source. He asked how  the social media platform would                                                               
determine inauthentic sources if it could not fact check.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:43:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD  read the definition of  "social media platform"                                                               
in paragraph  (8), beginning on page  3, line 31 through  page 4,                                                               
line 6, which read:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     (8) "social  media platform" means an  Internet website                                                                    
     or application  that enables users to  communicate with                                                                    
     each other by  posting information, comments, messages,                                                                    
     or images and that                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               (A) is open to the public;                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               (B) has more than 5,000,000 subscribers; and                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
               (C)  has  not  been  specifically  associated                                                                    
               with any  single religion or  political party                                                                    
               since the  inception of the  Internet website                                                                    
               or application.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:43:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD asked  him to  repeat  the second  part of  his                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:44:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  stated that the  bill prohibits the  platform from                                                               
fact  checking, but  it doesn't  apply if  what's at  issue comes                                                               
from an inauthentic  source. He asked how  social media platforms                                                               
would determine an inauthentic source without fact checking.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD asked him to cite the language in the bill.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL directed  attention to  the interplay  on page  2,                                                               
line 6, and page 2, line 31.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:44:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HOLLAND  noted  that  line  21 read  "(6)  comes  from  an                                                               
inauthentic source or involves impersonation."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:44:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  stated that the  language [on page 2,  lines 5-6]                                                               
that prohibits intentional  fact check confines it  to a platform                                                               
user's religious  or political  speech, so  it would  not broadly                                                               
apply.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:45:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TAYLOR related  his understanding  of an  inauthentic source                                                               
would be someone  impersonating someone else. He  argued that the                                                               
New York  Times was not a  social media platform but  a newspaper                                                               
or publication.  Its website wasn't  established to  allow people                                                               
to communicate  with one another in  the same way as  Facebook or                                                               
Twitter.  He read  a portion  of Sec.  09.68.055 (a)  on page  2,                                                               
lines 6-8.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
      ... may  not intentionally fact check,  delete, or use                                                                    
     an  algorithm to  disfavor,  shadow  ban, or  otherwise                                                                    
     censor the religious or political  speech of a platform                                                                    
     user.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:46:29 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. TAYLOR  envisioned that a  social media platform  owner could                                                               
not  label something  "partially  false" and  then downgrade  the                                                               
person's account  because it would  limit the platform  user from                                                               
sharing information.  He related his understanding  that the bill                                                               
would address those issues.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD noted  that  the  language on  page  2, line  6                                                               
differed from  page 2, line  31. She referred to  Sec. 09.68.055,                                                               
and read:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Sec. 09.68.055. Civil liability for censorship of                                                                     
     speech  by  a  social  media platform.  (a)  Except  as                                                                    
     provided in (g) of this  section, the owner or operator                                                                    
     of a  social media platform may  not intentionally fact                                                                    
     check, delete, or use an  algorithm to disfavor, shadow                                                                    
     ban,  or otherwise  censor the  religious or  political                                                                    
     speech of a platform user.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD cautioned  members to  consider the  difference                                                               
between  the social  media platform  operator  from the  platform                                                               
user. She  directed attention to  subsection (f), which  she read                                                               
earlier in the meeting.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:48:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD  noted that  the  social  media platform  owner                                                               
could ban,  delete, or  censor platform users  if they  engage in                                                               
any of the speech in  subsection (f), paragraphs (1)-(9), such as                                                               
encouraging  users   to  engage  in  self-harm.   She  emphasized                                                               
distinguishing between  the social  media platform owner  and the                                                               
platform user.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:48:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  directed attention to  page 1, line 6  of Version                                                               
I,  and  suggested that  the  committee  probably would  need  to                                                               
define  "fact  check."  It  would  be  important  to  investigate                                                               
whether  someone was  impersonating a  political figure,  so that                                                               
type of fact checking would be permissible.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:49:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  directed attention  to page 4,  lines 1-6  of the                                                               
definition  of "social  media platform,"  which should  be better                                                               
defined to  clarify as Senator  Kiehl pointed out that  an online                                                               
newspaper,  such as  the  New  York Times,  could  fit under  the                                                               
current  definition because  of  their  prolific commenters.  She                                                               
suggested  that fixing  that  would be  by  adding language  that                                                               
identifies   the  primary   purpose  of   internet  websites   or                                                               
applications to enable users to  communicate with each other. She                                                               
offered her view  that online newspapers' primary  purpose was to                                                               
provide news, not enable platform users to hold conversations.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:50:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  TAYLOR applauded  the  committee for  taking  up this  topic                                                               
because the  platform users would  like something to be  done. He                                                               
said he hoped  that committee discussions would  solve the issues                                                               
raised today.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD referred  to page 2, line 31,  to paragraph (6),                                                               
which  read, "...comes  from an  inauthentic  source or  involves                                                               
impersonation."  She noted  that inauthentic  could also  include                                                               
bots  or trolls,  some type  of non-person  response. One  of the                                                               
reasons she  brought this bill up  was to put something  in place                                                               
before  the  election. She  read  a  portion of  the  legislative                                                               
findings and  social media platform algorithms  to illustrate her                                                               
belief that  SB 214 will  protect religious and  political speech                                                               
and prevent malicious interference in state elections.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:53:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HOLLAND held SB 214 in committee.                                                                                         

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HB157 Sectional Analysis 021522.pdf SJUD 3/28/2022 1:30:00 PM
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